The last couple of days the Zeitgeist team has been pretty busy with coding! With the help of the guys hanging around #gnome-zeitgeist and Jason Smith (aka DBO) we managed to improve performance and the UI! There is still alot to come and a release will be hopefully sometime soon! We would really appreciate testing and new hackers (especially if you are new to python why not take a look its only 2500 lines of code 
). I don’t intend to start a weird topic! But since we kind of have a plan of what we are doing! I am thinking of taking 2 days to start porting to mono if the rest of the gang is ok with it! Right now its all in python! what do you think? To mono or not to mono!
You can pull the code from launchpad:
bzr branch lp:gnome-zeitgeist
Here is a quick video preview of what it can do now! More features to come soon!
@Seif Lotfy
Good choice!
Nice to know that you will remain with python
> We decided to stay with Python! Vala would be too GNOME oriented. Not that I have
> some thing against that but it is not as portable as python and mono!
> Mono however although very appealing would just cause as much enemies as friends.
Very funny kids. Now try to imagine the future of gnome: extremely slow gnome-shell, where “activities” is the main point and should start up instantly, starts more than a second because jit needs to compile js of gnome-shell code every time. On the fresh configuration. On the configuration with additional plugins it takes more than a three seconds
Then your cheap thing – takes more than a three seconds to start. But it’s OK, because the world of changing, of course. The changing is a life, lol. Hahaha, kids, python lol
About the subject: Vala is not a gnome thing – it’s a gtk thing. Since you are using gtk, your project is gnomish as any vala project, more or less, depends on the specific situation. But this point only proved you are noobs, your project will be too slow to really use it, the gnome will the the shitload of bugs and lags and freezes etc.
// The only thing I’m care about is gnome devs wants to replace nautilus with your project. I’m using gnome and I don’t want to constantly setup something. But if these idiots will use gnome-shell and yours amateurish stuff, I would force to use KDE, which sucks very much, but not so much as gnome 3.0 would be.
// Don’t like idiotic “light wms”, it’s only for geeks.
// Need to explain this to gnome-shell devs, where can I find them?
I’ve compared document/task centric approach vs traditional application/file approach with functional vs imperative programming before. So, details now:
In some cases functional approach is slightly better than imperative, but not very much. But in many cases it’s sooooo annoying you can’t describe that. Even programming in assembler is better in this cases. But if we add some features to the imperative language, the first kind of tasks, where functional approach was better, become simple and in imperative language too.
Things are similar in document/task centric approach vs traditional application/file approach: the first approach tends to be declarative, while the second is imperative. But we easily can emulate first approach with second one: gnome-shell activities emulates very well with workspaces. Zeitgeist approach emulates quite easily with file names and sort by date, etc. But you just can’t emulate file hierarchy.
And if you add some automation to workspaces and add some more filtering and search functionality into nautilus, the gnome-shell and your amateurish stuff will lose any point. Cheers.
The weakness of document/task centric method is it’s unpredictability, but the point of usability is to make things predictable.
By the way, just in case you didnt hear it: Google plans to bring a python JIT by the end of 2009, based on LLVM, targeted to be 5-10 times faster than CPhython.
Greetings.
> By the way, just in case you didnt hear it: Google plans to bring a
> python JIT by the end of 2009, based on LLVM, targeted to be 5-10 times
> faster than CPhython
I think you are adult enough to trust to tales? Similar thing already have been done for the python: psyco. It was faster about 5 to 10 times as well. But while intensive computations with large amount of data it was as slow as CPython and was about 200 times slow than pure C or C++. So it would be about 20 times slower than C (I think it would suck even more). But the point is with JIT program startup is getting worse. Python now starts quite slow. But with JIT it would start even slower. Keep in mind: startup is one of the most significant things in desktop applications expirience.
@Angry Anonymous
Again I never intended it to replace anything. I actually want to write a plugin for nautilus. But I guess you are here just to critisize everything. You are entitled to your opinion. But instead of being so picky I would suggest you hack up something else that you think could improve GNOME. Cheers
@Seif Lotfy
I’m looking for the gnome-shell irc or something to put the verbiage on them. They need it.
#gnome-shell and #gnome-zeitgeist on irc.gnome.org
@Angry Anonymous
Yah sure, c or c++ is way faster starting up, and I see this beeing important. I just wanted to give some reason not to port to mono =]. If porting, then c, c++, vala. Or if you want absolute speed then fortran 77 =]
Greetings
Personally, I am behind Vala. There is no need to use Mono in one of the key components. And so many swears that gnome pulls a whole bunch.
Mono fans? Wanting SPEED? hahahahaha…
Sugar is completely built on python, nevertheless the computers are very light on CPU cycles, and kids behind an OLPC just enjoy it… I’ve seen kids try it and never did anyone notice any python ‘slowness’. Besides, Mono itself is not exactly the holy grail of speed. I think it is rather funny Mono fans would go berserk whenever you suggest a project to make a port out of MS technology… yet they are the first ones to attack python…
How is this project going? I agree with the posters who told you to use Vala.
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